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Post by feather on Mar 31, 2022 10:13:40 GMT -6
How's your prepare and to-do list coming along. How did March end for you?
Spring is sprung in many areas..(we have snow currently). Do you have enough wood aging for winter? How about food supplies, spices/coffee/tea/herbs.....are you planting with that in mind? What about water purification and cleaning supplies? Home and farm security supplies? Transportation and farm equipment supplies and maintenance? Animal feed and medicines? Health and first aid supplies, medical care possibilities? Craft and reading materials, game books, puzzles, fabric, thread?
Foods in a general list, may or may not apply to your preparations: - Dried Beans - Dried Chickpeas - Dried Lentils - Dried Blackeye Peas - Canned Beans - Beans and Franks - Lima Beans - Dried Pearl Barley - Rice - Popcorn - Oatmeal (can sit overnight) rolled oats - Canned Sardines - Canned Pink Salmon - Canned Tuna - Canned Veg (beets, spinach, etc) - Instant Mash Potatoes - Nonfat Dry Powdered Milk (whole fat for butter) - Nestle Nido - Beef Stew - Canned Meat - Spam (turkey is best) - Ham in a Can - Canned Chili (no beans add later if possible) - Dried Sausage - Beef Jerky - Beef Ravioli - Instant Coffee - Tea - Avocado Oil - EV Oil - Ghee (shelf stable) - Canned Tomatoes - Pasta Sauce - Pasta - Flour - Bleached White Flour - Bread Mix - Instant Asian Noodles - Mac & Cheese - Table Salt (sea salt) - Bottled Water (small & big) - Canned Fruit - Canned Pie Fillings - Honey (& raw) - Sugar - Raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar - Protein Powder - Garlic Powder
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Post by Ohio Dreamer on Apr 1, 2022 17:08:34 GMT -6
April...I don't think we are really doing anything to prep right now. We are running the freeze dryer most of the time so that's a prep. But work has me exhausted at night. Mornings I'm doing a few chores to keep from this place turning into a total pig sty, lol. I work till May 6....so....maybe then. Question...protein powder?? Where do you get it and how do you use it?? Of the things on your list we have most or choose a different but similar item. But protein powder - I've heard of it, thought about it, but didn't know how one uses it... I have a bunch of plants I need to get in the ground in the next week or so. Rhubarb I need to build a spot for (not build, but dig and amend soil). I got my starts from a friend....she got her starts from my rhubarb at our old house. So it's kind of our rhubarb coming back to us, lol. Also need to plant blueberries, raspberry, blackberry, horseradish, and an elderberry. I have onion starts that need a home...I think I bought more then my original spots will hold Need to start working the soil for potatoes. I have one area that is already garden space....then 2 areas we will break ground on this year. We decided we need to up our game on potatoes.....they can do a lot to fill bellies.
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Post by feather on Apr 1, 2022 17:30:39 GMT -6
Ohio Dreamer, freeze dryer duties, that will keep you busy, with your job. Yikes. My point of view on protein powders. No. If you don't already use them, then don't start. Too much protein is hard on the kidneys. Most meat and dairy eating people get way over the amount needed according to the RDA. (45 mg for women 57 mg for men) Plant based diets give the recommended amount of proteins.
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Post by Ohio Dreamer on Apr 2, 2022 5:23:09 GMT -6
feather, Got it, I haven't bought any as I really couldn't come up with a way to use it. I like "smoothies" (my version is very different then "store bought") and thought that might be a use, but I use peanut butter in mine for protein. I can use PB for lots of things not just smoothies....never saw a use for a "food" that only had one use, so no protein powder ever bought, lol.
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Post by feather on Apr 2, 2022 7:52:01 GMT -6
Ohio Dreamer, If I had a freeze dryer, I'd powder (rinsed raw) greens like crazy for emergency supplies in winter, and secondary to that, legumes that are first cooked, then dried and powdered. (heat treat in the oven to kill off any eggs from insects) I'd choose white beans (especially for smoothies and to thicken sauces) and then all my seal failures from canning beans (!), lol.
What I'm going to be thinking of this summer, are all the greens when things are growing like crazy, that we wouldn't usually eat--pumpkin and zucchini leaves, broccoli and cauliflower leaves, plus extra greens--those things usually go to waste during mid growing and harvest, but they are perfect for drying and grinding into a powder.
I use green powder (kale) that I made, and bean powder (from canning failures), and I really like my red bell pepper powder for flavoring. I also use tomato powder often, especially when I want to thicken a tomato sauce or salad dressing.
I'm picturing winter with a fire to stay warm, searching for something to eat, baking up some tortillas or red lentil chips, and then mixing up some water with dried powdered pinto beans with chili powder, garlic powder, onion powder, ground cumin, lemon juice, salt to taste, to make a dip or spread. Pair that up with some salsa and you have a colorful tasty snack or meal. Dried beans powder for 'refried beans' comes to mind. Black bean powder will thicken up and give body to baked brownies if you like them more fudgy than cake like.
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Post by Ohio Dreamer on Apr 2, 2022 14:35:35 GMT -6
Greens are high on the "grow to freeze-dry" list. I have already experimented with them this winter. I bought frozen greens at Wal-Mart (I know....) They worked great and powdered well. I used them in my smoothie, perfect! I also have lots of green beans canned already....may just freeze-dry this year's harvest. ]Beans....well, if I freeze-dry then powder I could hide them in things better, lol. I like beans....hubby, not so much Sure would be a great way to thicken chili, which he likes very thick. Thanks, beans never crossed my mind! I have a 23 and 19 yr old. Neither are on the verge of having kids.....but won't be surprised in the next 5 yrs if one of them starts a family. Freeze-dried then powdered foods will make great baby food, too. Yes, I'm thinking of that now....with how things are going "out there"....I'm trying to think how to provide for missing baby items when grandbabies come along. I have already picked up some materials that can be made into diapers...
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Post by feather on Apr 2, 2022 15:26:45 GMT -6
Ohio Dreamer, Cool stuff! I was really surprised how much I liked hummus with salsa, the beans thickened the sauce and it was easier to scoop with a tortilla chip. Baby food is such a good idea. There is also besan-chickpea flour, though besan is not cooked, somehow with chickpeas, eating the besan only slightly cooked is not a problem, gut health/anti-nutrients. (red beans or kidney beans are extremely bad to eat raw). If I'm making something I'm not cooking with besan, I'll bake it in the oven for 20 minutes at 350 deg F just to be on the safe side, 'toasted chick pea flour'. We've made snack 'crackers' and flat bread with a highly seasoned besan batter. Adding legume powder to chili, is not that different than the traditional cornmeal/masa mixed with water and added to chili for thickening. I found that squash that is dried, I keep in chunks in jars, is easy to reconstitute, I put it in water, let it sit, then into the blender, blend it, and it gets thicker after that. I can use that in the crustless pumpkin pie I like. I use squash in oat cookies and bread almost always, almost always use fresh cooked, it seems to hold moisture better than just oats or wheat, so the oat cookies or bread is moister. Beet powder-can be used for coloring things, like baked goods at valentines day or christmas, or in the vinegar brine for pickling eggs. Carrots-coloring things too (orange carrots, purple carrots, yellow carrots) We can brainstorm more ideas whenever you want. From what I've read, sprouting barley, wheats, rye, then baking them, THEN grinding them, makes a sweeter more nutritious (malt type flavor) flour to add to baking. Instead, you could sprout, then freeze, then freeze dry, then bake at 180 deg F for 3 hours, then grind for malted grains. Use beer brewing instructions for malting grains. I've used the sprouted grains without drying/baking, just grinding them into an oatmeal kind of consistency and adding to bread. I usually sprout 8 cups or so of grain in a bucket at one time, then freeze the oatmeal like stuff in 2 cup measures in the freezer for baking. It takes up room in the freezer-not ideal, powder would be ideal.
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Post by Ohio Dreamer on Apr 10, 2022 8:42:18 GMT -6
Yucky weather yesterday, so we went shopping, lol. Found some cases of canning jars on clearance! They were taped in the box, not covered in plastic. So I'm guessing they were damaged cases that they mixed together to make good cases. Either way, I don't care....3 cases of quarts for 7.45 and 2 cases of pints for 5.35 And no I didn't buy all they had....saved a deal for someone else, too. Stopped at a thrift store and hubby found an egg incubator for $2! It doesn't have a fan or automatic egg turner, but that's ok....we can rig something up. But if we end up needing to add to our flock (or re-build if avian flu hits our area) we have the box and heating element at the ready.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 12, 2022 13:15:02 GMT -6
We had a 20-hour power outage yesterday, thanks to a surprise April snowstorm with heavy, wet snow. I suppose I could have powered up the generator, but the only thing I really missed was the internet for news and entertainment. I decided to use the time instead for grid-down practice. I have tons of candles, so I got out the tall glass cylinder candles that are safer around curious cats and set them in various rooms, tacking them down with poster putty for safety. That gave us enough light to move around once the daylight waned. I have a lot of puzzle books and used some tap lights to provide better lighting for working fill-in puzzles. I listened to an audiobook downloaded on my phone for quite a while - luckily my phone battery holds a charge for quite a while, and it was completely charged before the power went out.
We heat with wood all the time anyway, so there was nothing different there. I had just filled the hearth the day before, and there was plenty more seasoned wood in the shed. I added a (filled from stored water) tea kettle to the top of the stove, and once the kettle whistled, added a round metal trivet(?) originally from a gas stovetop, to keep the water hot without overheating and boiling away. That provided hot water for tea, coffee, cocoa and instant soup, all of which we had on hand. I could have cooked pretty much anything in a cast-iron skillet on the top of the woodstove.
The chicks are pretty well feathered out now, so just the heat from the stove was enough for them, without their light for added heat.
My little fridge in my bedroom has a tendency to ice up the tiny freezer compartment, so it was a good opportunity to defrost, while the ice build-up also kept the contents cooler, longer. We could have added snow to the fridges for more cooling. The freezers were just kept closed. We might have lost the ice cream, but I'm not even sure of that.
Our neighbors stopped by in the afternoon to make sure everything was okay with us, which it was. Cell service was knocked out, so no calls or texting was available. I'm glad they did stop by and check on us, even though they know me well and figured we were fine. They were also taking the opportunity to share what news they had heard about the outage.
Once the power came back on, I was able to look at the local news and see how widespread the outages were. It looks like most of Western WA and OR had outages due to heavy snow on limbs that are leafing out. I know I lost some limbs out of my Santa Rosa plum tree, and the neighbors said I had some limbs down in my woods, which I pretty much figured.
You know, while the power, internet and cell phones were out and there was no news available, I started thinking. I knew that this outage was likely weather-related. But, there was always the chance that Russia was trying an attack on our grid. I suspect that they will try something like this at some point. It makes me more resolved than ever to fine-tune our preparations for potential longer-term outages.
Although I had a charged cell phone, I have an extra power pack around here somewhere. I need to find it and make sure it's charged and accessible. We can charge phones in the trucks, too, but it's nice not to need to go out if the weather is iffy. I need to download more audiobooks that will play on my tablet when there is no internet connection. I need to check out the flash drives my bff downloaded for me, and make sure I have the platforms to support them on my tablet and phone. I have a hard time falling asleep in a totally quiet environment, after so many years on the night shift, falling asleep to TV in the daytime. I either need ways to listen to books or start training myself to sleep without noise.
I need to strain the rest of the diesel and retreat it with Pri-D and fill the fuel and oil in the generator. I need to build a generator shed. I need to run the monthly generator checks recommended. If I had it ready to go when the power went out, I probably would use it more often. If the power went down long-term, I would need it to run the fridge and freezers until I could can up the contents.
I have several solar lights that do not work properly. One quit working shortly after we got it and one never did work. I need to reach out to the manufacturers to see if they will replace them NOW, not when I really need them.
I still need to replace my roof...that is a biggie, and then the floor that got wet from the water heater leak will need to be replaced. The damage to it was more widespread than I first thought. That means contacting the insurance and also applying for a $2K grant for seniors that will help with what the insurance doesn't cover.
What else am I missing? Thoughts? What do YOU need to do to be ready to live without grid electricity?
AAAand, it's snowing AGAIN. Sigh.
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Post by feather on Apr 12, 2022 13:47:28 GMT -6
manygoatsnomore , 20 hours......that is one long power outage. I'm glad you are back to electric!
edit: that would be a nagging and somewhat terrifying worry, if the power outage was due to Russian attacks or just due to weather, when you can't get any news, no cell, no internet, no electric, no tv.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 12, 2022 18:54:45 GMT -6
manygoatsnomore , 20 hours......that is one long power outage. I'm glad you are back to electric!
edit: that would be a nagging and somewhat terrifying worry, if the power outage was due to Russian attacks or just due to weather, when you can't get any news, no cell, no internet, no electric, no tv.
I know, right? I don't want to live a paranoid life, but we are talking about a mad man here. Putin is so focused on restoring the old USSR that I think he is capable of doing just about anything. If he thinks it will cause disruption here in the USA, hampering our ability to assist Ukraine, I can totally see him targeting our power grid, our banking institutions, or any other part of normal life here. We live in a pretty isolated spot, and it's hard to get even AM/FM radio reception. My late buddy, Tom, was a ham radio operator, as well as being gifted in so many other areas. If he was still alive, he would be talking to other hams to learn what was causing the outage and how long it was expected to last. Then he'd be letting the rest of us in the neighborhood know what was going on, probably while he was plowing out the road! My other neighbors are trying hard to fill his shoes, but it's just not the same. Lord, I miss that man...
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Post by feather on Apr 12, 2022 19:11:27 GMT -6
manygoatsnomore, I imagine you do miss Tom. And he was a ham operator too? Someone else here is too....isn't Ohio Dreamer, one too? Ohio Dreamer, are you? It's not paranoia, there's Putin, and solar flare issues with electronics, china or other country hacking the power grid. It could be any of those things, even a volcano spewing off ash, clogging, I don't know streets then tranformers coming down, or making electric repairs too ashy to fix quickly. Unless, you maybe think I'm paranoid. I think I just know that things can happen and sometimes do, so, one never really knows when there is no news and no communication. I think about those things each and every time we lose our electric, then, I enjoy the quiet and calm. (often the boredom)
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Post by Ohio Dreamer on Apr 13, 2022 14:36:47 GMT -6
feather, yep. KE8OWC at your service. Honestly, I don't do the radio, though - LOL. Hubby is on the radio and I know how to do it, sort of. It would take me a bit of time to get it all turned on and ready to go. So in the event of an emergency, I can do it, but I just don't have time to at this point.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 14, 2022 1:50:19 GMT -6
Ohio Dreamer, I'm sure that as long as you are working, the radio is WAY down the list of priorities for you! There are only 24 hours in a day, and I think you're filling 25 of them now, lol. I worked on tree pruning today, as well as getting woodshed #3 ready for a new tarp. I figure that if I get 2-3 years out of a tarp, and I buy them on a half-off sale, it's less expensive than putting tarpaper and shingles on. At some point, I will make a more permanent roof, but for the immediate future, tarps it is. I also filled a couple empty glass candle cylinders, making new candles that will burn for DAYS, and dug out the non-functioning solar lights that I was talking about, where I need to contact the manufacturers for replacements. In the process, I found an LED light that plugs into a USB port on the computer. It was still in the package. I opened it up and tested it out - works! It's now hanging with the other flashlights so I will remember it when the power is out. I still haven't found the power pack for recharging the phones though. I think I have enough buckets and lids that fit them that I can start filtering the diesel and storing it all in clean buckets with more Pri-D. I have to explain that when the chickens insisted on roosting in the barn, they got droppings all over the buckets of diesel. I cleaned them off, but I just want to put all the diesel we have on hand into totally clean buckets to make sure the fuel is good. Some of the current buckets have bulging or cracked lids now. I really need to check the fuel in those buckets to make sure it's still okay. I'm also working on going through my flashdrives... So, a bit of progress on the items I posted about earlier.
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Post by Ohio Dreamer on Apr 14, 2022 7:29:56 GMT -6
Breather day!! We got everything planted yesterday (IE caught up), so got off work early (only a half-day). Now I don't go back until they text me, likely next week. They are waiting for an order of plants, but the place doesn't have drivers! They could be 2 weeks late!! Tomatoes and something else....forget what. Morning is rainy here so doing a bit of this and that. Come afternoon I'm going to go check the garden and see if anything is dry enough to till. I would REALLY love to get my greens planted today If dry enough to till potato bed #1 I'll do that too....then come in and chit potatoes. Yesterday was in the 70s...today will be 50s. Would have been great to do it yesterday, but I just couldn't wrap my head around it. Kind of when you let a caged animal out of the cage....they don't know what to do with the freedom. Might snow again this weekend (add your favorite disgruntled words here ). Either way, I have my earbuds in listening to music that feeds my soul....I so miss this!
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Post by midtnmama on Apr 15, 2022 6:50:05 GMT -6
manygoatsnomore, because of you, I always look for candles when at yardsales. Every year I buy more solar lights, chargers. The price of fertilizer is going way up. While I can compost like crazy for my garden, fertilizer must be bought for the pasture. For the garden, every leaf, every pruned branch, every piece of junk mail will be composted. I'll be even more diligent about raking up the grass after it's cut. Another way to think of preparation is to be in the best physical shape you can be. While we can't avoid everything, it pays to do the simple things, like eat healthfully and not like a glutton. To brush and floss our teeth often. To exercise daily. Our bodies are very helpful in staying prepared.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 22, 2022 20:52:42 GMT -6
midtnmama, I'm a good influence then, I hope, lol. 😉 I am amazed how many times I found those huge triple wick candles, burned a few times and then put in their next garage sale for .50-1.00. I know why...those candles really don't burn all that well. BUT, they have a LOT of wax in them that can be melted down and reused. If any of you have priced wax in craft stores, it's easy to see that those garage sale triple wick candles are a real bargain! I'm still working on the chicken jail - I made good progress on it today before the rain cut loose again. I remembered that I had a 6' tall walkthrough gate from a collection of cyclone fencing parts. I still need to build a taller gate into the orchard once I increase the height of that fence, but using the cyclone fence gate saved me time and effort on the chicken pen. I got the 1st layer of chicken wire put on the stock panel next to the gate, but Abby was out riding, and I need her help to put up the top row of wire. Once that's done, I can open the pophole from their house to their new pen. I'll still need to put up the netting, but at least they'll be able to free-range a little without becoming coyote snacks. More preps today: I got my cortisone injections in both knees and started the ball rolling to move forward with gel injections in my right knee. Hopefully, that will work well enough to avoid a knee replacement. I took Abby in to reapply for SNAP benefits. We still aren't sure why her food stamps were stopped, but at least they're restarted. We stopped at Winco today for a few things, but since she won't have her food money on her EBT card until tomorrow, I had to keep reminding her that she would be spending cash today, so if she didn't absolutely have a have it before Tuesday (the next time we'll be in town), she should wait. Her idea of essential is a bit different from mine! 🙄 I'm still working on organization at home. I've cleared, cleaned and rearranged most of the kitchen cabinets, more of the pantry shelves and my bedroom closet. Having preps doesn't count if you can't find them when you need them.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 26, 2022 11:45:45 GMT -6
I added 4 more chicks, Buff Orpingtons, to the future layer flock. I really didn't mean to, but we were at the local feed store, talking to my great niece, who is carrying on the family tradition by working there (her dad and uncles, my son and my son-in-law all have worked there over the years), and Abby pointed out that they had her favorite breed at a good price, so a few of them came home with us. I really just went in to buy hay and get some Walla Walla Sweet onion plants. About had heart failure at the price I had to pay for hay. It makes building hay storage even more urgent before the next haying season gets here. I want to have enough hay straight out of the field to get us through a whole year. I absolutely hate having to worry about even finding hay this time of year. Even if I can't store a full year's supply, I can buy as much as possible and store it for late winter and spring, while buying what I need in the summer and fall, when it's plentiful and fairly inexpensive. It beats having to spend almost $500 for 20 bales of alfalfa and orchard grass, which is all that's available fight now. The cortisone is starting to kick in in my right knee. It's still painful, but less so. I hope it continues to improve. I'm taking Abby grocery shopping today, and we will buy some seeds with her SNAP benefits while we're at the store. You can buy seeds and food producing plants with SNAP, and we plan to take full advantage of that option. The chicken jail is working well for almost all of the hens. We still have 3-4 that get out each day, but the rest seem happy enough to stay in and lay their eggs in the henhouse. I still need to finish adding another layer of the 1" chicken wire (much sturdier than the 2" stuff) around the top of 3 sides if I want to keep in all of the flock, and the netting isn't on yet, but at least enough has been done to let me switch to gardening. I've dug out more of the rhubarb from that pen, nearly doing in my shovel in the process. Those big old plants have incredibly tough, massive root systems. I still have at least another few clumps of rhubarb and a blueberry bush to dig out, and I'm propagating more currant bushes from the big old bush that I think is too big to move. I'm pleased to say that Ember seems to have figured out that she must stay in the orchard pen unless I let her out. She's also finally learning to ride in the truck. I really need to be able to take her places, so learning that riding in the truck won't kill her (and might even be fun) is important.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 28, 2022 0:30:22 GMT -6
Okay, have I mentioned that it's not really safe for me to enter a feed store during chick season? Sigh...4 more new chickies followed us home today. Wilco had a bunch of chicks ("Copper Dominant", a cross between Black Copper Marans/Barred Rock?, so a hybrid) 50% off, so we brought home 4 more. I was planning to put them under our little banty hen who is desperately trying to hatch the eggs laid each day, but I'm not sure. I might still go out tonight to move her to a rabbit condo and put at least some of the youngest chicks under her. We also bought a total of 35 packets of veg, herb and melon seeds with Abby's FS, but couldn't find any lemon cucumber seeds anywhere. So, while I was at Wilco, I asked if they would honor the price on 4" veggie starts (reg 1.99 each, B2G1Free) today, even though the sale didn't officially start until tomorrow. They were kind enough to agree to that, so I picked out 8 tomatoes and one....drum roll...LEMON CUCUMBER! That pot actually has 5 seedlings in it, so a whole hill of cukes. Then they couldn't figure out how to get the register to accept 3 for 2, so they ended up charging me for 4 and giving me 5, which is less than half-price. So, I paid $8 for 9 pots. Needless to say, I'm happy with that! As usual, I never did get my tomato seeds planted, so buying starts at a great price was the next best thing. We have caught a couple of the escapee hens and clipped the wing feathers on one side...seems to have worked, so I think we will try to figure out which ones are still getting out and give them a snip, too. I bought 2 rolls (6'x300') of white garden trellis netting from the 247Garden site midtnmama linked us to. I can use them overhead to protect hens from hawks, or just use them in the garden, as intended. I had to go to the doctor's office to sign a new med agreement and pee in a cup today. That counts as a prep, because I needed to do it before I could fill my pain med in 2 weeks. I'm still having pain in my right knee, so if I want to cut down on the amount of pain I have and get things done, it was necessary. I'm continuing to slowly lose weight, which I hope will take some of the pressure off my knees and decrease the pain, too. Bonus is that I can fit into a pair of jeans and several more pairs of leggings.
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Post by midtnmama on Apr 28, 2022 6:48:45 GMT -6
manygoatsnomore, Awesome deals! I am looking at deals on dried beans and rice to stock up. I freeze when I buy to kill any critters, then store in my buckets. So glad that someone was able to use the great link to netting. I used some sheer curtains to cover some tiny lettuce seedlings I planted. Both to protect from harsh sun (seems like I only have time to do this in the afternoon) and to deter birds. I always look for sheer curtains at yardsales for this purpose. Also, old sheets are so handy for dragging weeds or prunings.
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Post by feather on Apr 28, 2022 6:51:35 GMT -6
manygoatsnomore, CONGRATS on losing weight. It almost always helps with the lower body's joints. I would really like to see some sunny pictures of your chickens! Why do you need to pee in a cup? Are they looking for other drugs or high levels of drugs or ? Is this to protect the doctor or to protect you, or both? (sorry for the questions) Our azure standard order comes next week, 9 grain flakes and brown rice. We haven't decided on having someone weld the mower bed in places or replace it. $ a few hundred or $600.
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Post by manygoatsnomore on Apr 29, 2022 14:15:37 GMT -6
midtnmama, I'm right there with you on the sheers! Great for covering anything you don't want the birds to get, light protection from frost, etc. feather, in order to be prescribed narcotic pain medications, the medical group requires a patient to sign an annual medication contract saying that you won't sell, trade or otherwise abuse the pain meds prescribed or use any drugs NOT prescribed, and at least once a year, you have to give them a urine sample for a drug screen. They want to make sure that you ARE taking the prescribed meds and NOT taking anything you shouldn't be. I'm a 62 year old great-grandma who has never tried a street drug in my life, but I still have to jump through the same hoops as anyone else. I'll see what I can do about getting you some pics of the chickens.
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